Special Thanks to Anna-Maria (Anni) Wernicke who was a Designer on the UASA's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
113 actual hours vs approximately 80 hours expected. I learned that a lot of time gets eaten up in communication, more than anticipated.
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http://student.santarosa.edu/~rcarlso1/UASA/uasabid.html
Special Thanks to Bradley Mark who was a Content Developer on the Partners for Sustainable Pollination's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
I am used to doing a complete website myself so I expected in the beginning that there would be more work. After learning our individual roles it became apparent that not having to design the page structure would reduce a good deal of work. I believe my time spent is directly relational to the other team member roles.
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http://student.santarosa.edu/~jpiehl/bees/bid.html
Special Thanks to Doane Atwood who was a Women's Global Leadership Initiative on the Diana Ruiz's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
The behind the scenes stuff takes forever. In our case we had a client who had a grandiose vision for what her organization should be, but not a very clearly defined vision for the website. Since the organization is still evolving, and there are few people she trusts to translate her vision into reality, she ends up taking a lot on herself, while also having tons of stuff to do to get her organization up and running. I think if I'd had a choice I would have given her the initial questionnaire, then given her another month (more than she had) to make decisions about content, etc. It now turns out that the client wants to postpone the live launch because they've hired a graphic artist who will come up with a new logo and possibly choose new colors.
Also, good team dynamics are very important. We spent lots of time just trying to work out little details, and figure out how to get things integrated in a testing environment. We're using my hosting company, but it comes with very little built in, so it doesn't match the client's hosting situation, which means some things have been built on the client's site.... Ugh! We'll get there!
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Special Thanks to Jonathan Piehl who was a Project Manager on the Partners For Sustainable Pollination's Web site.
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actually spent on the project
This project took way longer than I expected it would take. I found that most my time was spent communicating with the client and team members instead of working on the site. When I'm making a site for myself, I'm the client and the team so no communication takes place. I think if we used a project managing application (like Basecamp) then communication would be more open and things could get done more efficient. This was good practice for the real world.
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Special Thanks to Susan Bergna who was a Designer on the PFSP's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
I went into the project expecting it would take a lot of time. I probably spent a bit more time than expected but I did a lot of web research trying to help our client. I learned to listen to my own design sense, that creating a template that would accommodate all content is difficult and that the ego has to go. I also learned that I didn't know much about 508 compliance and that getting IE workarounds to actually work can be difficult.
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Special Thanks to Grant Brott who was a Web Designer on the Womens Global Leadership Initiative's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
The actual time I spent was well over 30 hours but I have done some designs before and they usually fall more into the 20 hour max range. I think all the meetings and working with the team and having to do it all for the first time slows everything down compared to working with a experienced team that has been together, so in the end the more you work together the quicker you can get a quality site out.
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http://student.santarosa.edu/~datwood/BOWD/bid.html
Special Thanks to Amy McVicar who was a Content Developer on the Sonoma County Folk Society's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
It is about the same.
In the end, I will spend substantially over 60 hours but I don't think I could justify charging for anything over 40.
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http://student.santarosa.edu/~nrourke/socofoso/bid.shtml
Special Thanks to Stefan Fanslow who was a Programmer on the Women's Global Leadership Initiative's Web site.
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actually spent on the project
while the work isn't entirely finished, it's taking about as much time as was expected.
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the page isn't finished at the moment. however, this is the url (it says as much):
http://student.santarosa.edu/~datwood/BOWD/bid.html
Special Thanks to Larry Roberts who was a Project Manager on the Filipino American National Historical Society (FANHS)'s Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
The project takes a lot more time than I thought. It involves a lot of up-front work and coordination to reach agreement before the work can actually start. What the designer may 'visualize' and what the client sees can be totally different things. That is why a mock-up of the design is so important, and then not dramatically changeing that design when it is rolled out.
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Special Thanks to Rebecca F who was a Designer on the Sonoma County Folk Society's Web site.
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actually spent on the project
I have exceeded the time that I thought I would spend on the site by at least double. Not having a programmer on my team I found to more of a hindrance than I anticipated. If this had been a real life situation I would have subbed out some of the work weeks ago. While my teammates have been active, involved and enthusiastic the skill level of the team is a bit low. No offense to my teammates, I am still learning many things myself and am not a programmer in any way whatsoever but it would be helpful to have a better balance of skill sets within each team. I would rather see emails that suggest a solution to issues rather than just pointing out problems for me to solve, particularly when they may be fairly obvious html fixes. I spent a lot of time just repairing layouts and recoding the css, much of which I did expect and a bit more that I didn't. I think that some of that is due to style differences and how the original template may be used in ways the designer did not foresee. That is a good thing though in the end because a client who may be adding/updating a site will probably do the same things. This has been a tremendous learning experience to be sure, I have picked up more than a few lessons that I will take with me going forward into this field.
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Special Thanks to Nichelle Rourke who was a Project Manager on the Sonoma County Folk Society's Web site.
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actually spent on the project
I have spent a lot of time on this project, mostly in the beginning of the course. The extra time was spent getting our team site to look nice, getting it organized and making it useful to the team and the client. I have spent numerous other hours learning techniques from my colleagues that aren't directly related to the output of the project.
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Here is our bid. The cost of $10k seems high, but our effort seems much greater than that!
Special Thanks to Mark Foote who was a Content Developer on the American Philharmonic's Web site.
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actually spent on the project
The project write-ups took more time than I expected; bottom of the learning curve on that. Right now, there are a lot of small things going on in connection with the site, that would probably not be done professionally without charge but which will not be included in the hours on our bid (content revisions and corrections of errors in the original content); maybe that makes up for my inexperience on the billed hours for standards and deliverables. The small stuff going on now has taken a lot of time, but we all want everything to be as good as it can be for the AP folks when we hand off.
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Special Thanks to Anna Narbutovskih who was a Content Developer on the Sonoma County Folk Society's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
I spent far fewer hours on the actual web content development than I thought I would at the beginning of the class. Rebecca's template was very easy to follow and most of the pages were finished in minutes. The most important lesson I learned was that I can't depend on open source javascript (which we used for the slideshows and music players) to do exactly what I want it to do. To achieve to effects I want I have to take the javascript class and write the stuff myself. I spent most of my time pouring over the javascript trying to figure out how to alter it without breaking it.
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Special Thanks to Antonio Ventura who was a CD on the FANHS's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
i worked about 70 hours, I learned a lot about different task and steps in the design and deploy of the web site.
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Special Thanks to Barbara Vallauri who was a Content Developer on the Saturday Afternoon Club's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
I actually thought the project would take longer than it did. Fortunately Jessica did a great job in designing the page layouts, so my job as content developer was made easy - I just had to plunk in the content and with a few minor tweaks everything worked.
Preparation is everything. With good preparation the work goes really smoothly.
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Gary Cross was our PM, but he had to drop the class. However, before he dropped he'd prepared a bid page, which can be found at: http://student.santarosa.edu/~gcross/saturday_afternoon_club/html/bid.html
Special Thanks to Gloria Batemon who was a Content Developer on the American Philharmonic Orchestra-Sonoma County's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
At the beginning, I figured cutting and pasting text probably 10 hours. In reality that figured was a tad bit off - 68 hours. What I didn't figure was the rewrites, corrections, and making the shellsite work the way it was supposed to work. I learned to think things out in a little more detail before putting a number of hours down, and even if you really do make your best guess, you'll always be low.
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Special Thanks to Stephen Rodier who was a Designer on the American Philharmonic's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
I am used to working on my own so my bid was low. Working with a team takes longer and there are more steps involved but you come up with a better product. Questions are asked and solutions found that you would never thought of on your own.
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Special Thanks to Cathea Scheer who was a Content Developer on the Partners for Sustainable Pollination's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
I thought it would take more than 28 hrs, not sure how much more. didn't really have a clue. I learned about how important team work is to doing web development. I never realized that a good working relationship makes all the pieces of a web site fit together much easier. I have great admiration for the skills of the PM and DS, from my perspective, the success of the site lies in their hands.
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Special Thanks to Albert Shanto who was a Designer on the Legal Aid of Sonoma County's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
I spent 60 hrs designing for this project. At the beginning of class I thought it might take 20 to 30 hrs.
I have learned to talk with the client more than once before spending a lot of time doing design work. In this case, the original mockup was made according to the ideas expressed at the first meeting with the client, only to find out in subsequent meetings that wasn't what the client really wanted. I also learned by volunteering in an open ended way to help with supplying content, images in particular, it can take a lot more time than imagined. The lesson I learned is to have the client supply all of the content.
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Special Thanks to Albert Shanto who was a Programmer on the Legal Aid of Sonoma County's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
I spent 40 hrs programming on the project. When the class began I imagined it would take 10 hrs.
What I learned was that even though I think I have a template set up, it can take a considerable amount of time to modify it to a particular purpose. And I learned there's a lot I don't know about 508, and its hard to estimate something without having done it before.
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Special Thanks to Rose Carlson who was a project manager on the uasa's Web site.
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actually spent on the project
I am complete newbie to this so everything I learned was valuable. I did not spend as many hours as I thought I would but once I got in the swing of the pM position things went fairly smoothly. I was suprised at the differance in hours by my teammates.
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http://student.santarosa.edu/~rcarlso1/UASA/uasabid.html
Special Thanks to Jerilynn Johnson who was a Content Developer on the Legal Aid of Sonoma County's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
As a content developer I was surprised how fast the actual pages went together. I spent less time on page creation that I thought I would. It was probably the shell site that took the most time, because that's where we had to figure out what went on each page, code everything, and make multiple changes to the content. Overall, probably a few more hours than I expected.
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http://student.santarosa.edu/~jjohnso1/legalaidofsc/html/bid.html
Special Thanks to Jerilynn Johnson who was a Project Manager on the Legal Aid of Sonoma County's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
At the beginning of class, it looked liked there was a lot to do as project manager. For the beginning of the class there was a lot - but then as soon as the web proposal was finished, it's been a very quiet job. Probably less overall hours than expected.
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Special Thanks to Jerry Adamson who was a pm on the American Philharmonic-Sonoma County's Web site.
Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they
actually spent on the project
My estimates were high due to the amount of work required by the PM at the beginning of the project. I've learned that starting to work on the project site as early as possible is very beneficial.
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Original Script by Philip Tardif for use by Linda Hemenway