Bids for Web Projects

Special Thanks to Michael Wheeler who was a PM CS Video Editing Team on the Santa Rosa Junior College's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I thought I would only spend a few hours doing a nine minute video. I had not anticipated the back and forth process of understanding the clients desires and meeting their expectations. It wound up taking ten times longer than I thought. It really gives me a great appreciation about some of the additional skills beyond technical ability that you need to really do this job.

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http://www.odo-training.com/srjc_bid.html

Special Thanks to Dennis Bolt who was a Designer on the NAMI Sonoma County's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I spent about the same amount of time as I expected. I ended up doing a decent amount after the ahndoff on tweaks and troubleshooting.

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Special Thanks to Christopher Caplan who was a Interactive Media Design on the Roller Derby's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I've spent maybe about 35 hours on the project so far. This is pretty close to what I initially would have guessed. 35 hours x a rate of $25 per hour = $875. Not bad!

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Special Thanks to Megan Bennett-Burks who was a Designer on the Greenacres's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
This class has taken more time than I expected it to, and I learned that trying to schedule thing with a team is difficult, since we all have other things going on outside of this class (such as other classes, work, etc...). I learned sometimes to work with everyone's different schedules a variety of communication forms can be necessary (such as email, forums, Skype, and IM instead of just one or two of those things).

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Not sure what the URL is

Special Thanks to Shannon McMath who was a Designer on the Habitat for Humanity's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I probably spent about the same amount of time or less than what I thought I would. I learned that starting with a WordPress theme made things easier.

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Not sure.

Special Thanks to Imelda Estrada who was a Project Manager on the 4 Paws Learning and Wellness's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I though I was going to spend only 20 hours on this project when the class started. I estimate I will spend 40 hours if not more. I learned there are a lot of elements the project manager has to deal with, specifically at the beginning of the project it is overwhelming the amount of time the project manager has to allocate into the project.

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Special Thanks to Marisa Jacobs who was a Designer on the Birth Psychology's Web site.

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I kind of figured that it would take longer than we'd originally anticipated to complete our site as much as we have by this point, but I'm actually amazed at how well we've been doing with staying on track. Even in the midst of moving house and trying to balance our lives with our duties, we've been able to meet our deadlines (even if mine are cutting it a bit close these past couple weeks). It really helps a project to have someone in charge who is motivated and organized.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~cquintan/webbiz/files/birthpsych-bid.pdf

Special Thanks to Daniel Baggett who was a CD on the 4Paws's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I have kinda a weird situation as i have switched groups. i thought i would spend roughly the same amount of time as what i did: two major sessions (one for the shell site and the other for the final site) that took all day and then a bunch of small fixes after those two days. i learned how not to be a PM though

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Special Thanks to Brandon Giovannoni who was a Content Developer on the 4Paws's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I thought it would take more time but I wasn't sure all that entailed being a CD. Delegating responsibilities helps spread the amount of time and work out so that everyone can excel at their duty and the team as whole can be more effective.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~iestrada/index.html

Special Thanks to David Rivezzo who was a Project Manager on the St. Vincent's Elementary's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
This project has been intensive for me and I have been a whole lot busier than I thought I would be. I originally though that being part of team that this would be a walk in the park project. All of us have been intensely working hard and I learned that it is really hard for one person to everything and being able to work with teammates on this project has been fun, great, and educational. I really learned the importance of good communication, having a good strategy to completing the job, and most importantly a good starting point on how to bid for a job!

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You can get to the site either through the contact page at: http://student.santarosa.edu/~drivezzo/st_vincents/index.html or you can go directly to it at: http://student.santarosa.edu/~edevries/stvincentelementary-beth/pages/welcome.html We are more than 50% done, and hoping to be 100% ahead of schedule.

Special Thanks to Talisha Melluish who was a Content Developer on the Napa Valley Breastfeeding Coalition's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I learned that it takes a lot more time to complete the process of creating the shell site and making sure it included everything the client wanted. estimated bid 70 hours at $15.00 per hour equals $1050

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Special Thanks to Olga Komar who was a Designer on the Napa Valley Breastfeeding Coalition's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
My actual time is 180 hours, but I didn't finish my work yet. I thought I'd spend 100 hours less. I learned how to communicate with the client efficiently.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~djenkins/nvbc/bid.shtml

Special Thanks to Dia Jenkins who was a Project Manager on the Napa Valley Breastfeeding Coalition's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I learned that keeping communication going and coordinating people takes a lot of time. I also learned I need to trust my gut and speak up about small problems before they become big problems.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~djenkins/nvbc/bid.shtml

Special Thanks to Cynthia Maram who was a Interactive Media Designer on the Habitat For Humanity RESTORE's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I've spent approxiamately 10-13 hours at $25/hour on the project. I thought it would be more time in the beginning in terms of creating Flash slideshows, photo galleries and video galleries. But with Wordpress it simplified things. I learned more about how to work in Wordpress and learned about new multi-media plugins designed specifically for Wordpress. I am charging a total of $325.

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I do not know the url as of yet.

Special Thanks to Sue McGee who was a Project Manager on the Green Acre Homes's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
Well, just from experience of knowing how long it takes me to get my homework done, I didn't have any misconceptions about it taking longer than I might have anticipated at the beginning of the class.

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https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B0PJroSqGY7HNzBiOGRiNjItMGQzYS00OGRkLThiZmEtNDBhYWE3OTlmOTlm&hl=en

Special Thanks to Sarah Fogarty who was a Project Manager on the Habitat for Humanity's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I spent or assume I will spend approximately 48 hours on this project. I didn't really have a number in mind at the start of the class, but once I knew I would have to design a project site, I knew I would spend a huge amount of time on that. So, I think I actually spent a bit less time than I might have anticipated. Communication with the client has been productive and minimal and most of the team know what to do and need little direction from me. I learned to let my team and the client perform at the levels they feel most comfortable with and provide direction only when some steering was in order. Though I always assume things will take longer than expected, in this instance, I felt it worked out about the same.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~sfogarty/H4H%20Project%20Site/html/bid.html

Special Thanks to Jeanene McCormack who was a Content Developer on the NAMI's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
It has taken about the amount of time that I anticipated - around 100 hours. 100 x $25/hr = $2500

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~jrichmo1/NAMI/bid.shtml

Special Thanks to Christopher Berggren who was a Designer on the St. Vincent Elementary's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
Time billed for me is projected at 100 hours @ $40 per hour. This is at least twice as much time as I would have estimated. I learned that either I need to adjust my projections upward or make more effective use of time, perhaps combination of both.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~edevries/stvincentelementary-beth/pages/welcome.html

Special Thanks to James Anderson who was a Project Manager on the Resurrection Roller Girls's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
Thus far into the project I have spent about 45 hours of actual project work and estimate another 20 hours by project completion I learned more about coordinating the work flow of a group of people (the team and client) and how ones best laid plans doesn't always work the way one expects. I think I also learned how much paperwork is involved in putting a project together.

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It's 6:30 pm right now. I'm going to send another email to remind the team that they need to respond to Linda's email about reporting there estimated hours. I will then have the bid page posted by midnight, April 11. The URL for the page is: http://student.santarosa.edu/~janders1/rollerderby/html/bid.html

Special Thanks to Austin Thom who was a Content Developer on the St. Vincent's's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I did 5~10 hours of content development, mostly work on the shell site, which is factored into the total 30 hours of Content Development work.

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Special Thanks to Austin Thom who was a Programmer on the St. Vincent's's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
In terms of raw programming work I did 20~ hours of work for the site. While not all of that time was 100% productive, I'm happy with what I produced (dropdown menus, calendar, slideshows) given the time I had and what was requested of me.

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Special Thanks to Susan Brennan who was a Content Developer on the Habitat for Humanity of Sonoma county's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I actually spent about 75 hours to date with another 2 or 3 to go. I thought it would take me about 40 hours so I learned that it takes a lot more time to analyze content and figure out where it goes, especially when there is overlap between sections in the old site. There were 2 of us and also some of those pages cris-crossed our various areas of responsibility. I also learned that the client doesn't necessarily know how to analyze their own content so we had 3 navigation changes. I learned to be patient and to be clear about what we needed. Also that a team effort is much better for a job of this size than could be accomplished individually.

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This is our project site: http://student.santarosa.edu/~sfogarty/H4H%20Project%20Site/html/workingsite.html

Special Thanks to Caroline Quintanilla who was a Project Manager on the Birth Psychology's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I learned (and learn this all the time from my work with clients) it always takes longer than you think it will.....

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I am the PM. Here is the URL: http://student.santarosa.edu/~cquintan/webbiz/files/birthpsych-bid.pdf

Special Thanks to Damian Baker who was a Project Manager on the Face to Face's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I have spent about what I thought I would on my duties as a project manager. I did learn that coordinating, especially during production, is quite difficult.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~dbaker/facetoface/bid.html

Special Thanks to Barbara Evans who was a Designer on the 4Paws's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
My actual time spent was a lot longer than what I thought it would be. I spent a lot of time searching for photos on the Internet and then Photoshop editing all the photos received from the client. I also spent a lot of time with a CSS challenge. I learned to limit my time searching stock photo sites and to use one class-based source for code. If the code doesn't work, don't go fiddling and add tweaks from multiple sources. Rather, step back and review a basic structure that works.

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Here is the URL for our project site. There is a link for the bid, which wasn't yet up at the time this was submitted. http://student.santarosa.edu/~iestrada/index.html#

Special Thanks to Noah Freitas who was a Programmer on the Birth Psychology's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
The times were not incredibly different. The main area where the hours required went way up was in processing the journal articles before they were inserted into the new database. That turned out to be a little more labor intensive than I would have expected.

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The bid will be here: http://student.santarosa.edu/~cquintan/webbiz/

Special Thanks to Miranda Limonczenko who was a Content Developer on the Birth Psychology's Web site.

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How much time we take planning and communicating our actions over the actual actions themselves. It's so much talking about what we will do and what we have done and asking questions about what we should do.

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Special Thanks to Kevin Schirado who was a PM on the Petaluma Recycling's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I expected to need more time. Because of the small time size, only 2 of us, it required less coordination than I thought it would. The client is very easy to work with. I was thinking that this role would require maybe 75 hours instead of the 60 it will take.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~kschirad/cs5031/petaluma_recycling/pages/bid.html

Special Thanks to Kevin Schirado who was a Content Developer on the Petaluma Recycling's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
The time is about 8 hours per page, with 8 pages total for 64 hours. This is slightly higher than I thought initially. My first estimate was 5 hours per page. What did I learn? That I still under estimate how long something will take.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~kschirad/cs5031/petaluma_recycling/pages/bid.html

Special Thanks to Micah Gemmell who was a Content Developer on the La Voz's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I learned that I didn't really think about the time frame for the website. I did wonder how we were going to create the website in a semester, but I realized that time schedules and the content wouldn't be as easy to get from the client. I didn't track my time either, so I hope that my time is accurate.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~chernand/bid.html

Special Thanks to Yoshinori Abe who was a CD on the Face to Face's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
50 hours I spent all my time researching and testing different web galleries in February and March. Creating web galleries was not the hardest thing, but I had a lot of content to add to the web gallery. I really had to be careful not to make mistakes. When I got busier I forgot to record what I did. That was big mistake. I am sure that I spent more than 50 hours but I could not keep track. What I learned is it’s really important to manage your time.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~dbaker/facetoface/bid.html

Special Thanks to Cecilia Hernandez who was a Project Manager on the La Voz's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
Quite honestly I didn't track my time like I should have. Thats one lesson learned. Its a lot harder to try and figure it out after the fact. Tracking it from the start is the best way to go, I think.

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https://student.santarosa.edu/~chernand/ under Bid link

Special Thanks to Mary Neal-Norton who was a Content Developer on the Habitat for Humanity of Sonoma County's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I learned that it is very easy to underestimate the number of hours it will take to do the project. One of the biggest issues was the client's inability to understand what is required from them and visualize what you will be producing. The result is a need for time-consuming meetings to get the client to review what you are doing and the inevitable changes they will want to make once they see the site "completed".

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http://www.habitatsoco.org

Special Thanks to Zechariah Manning who was a Content Developer on the Greenacre Homes's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I have spent much more time on this project than I initially planned for. That being said, after some clarification with Linda and teammates regarding specific roles relating to the build, I have found that the load has lessened considerably. This is not to say that I was unwilling or deterred from doing the extra work, but the lessening of the load is much welcomed.

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At this moment, I do not have the current URL for the bid. Our PM is working diligently (as always) to provide us that URL once it has been generated.

Special Thanks to Richard Bassett who was a Content Developer on the Face To Face's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I have kept pretty good records of my time to date. With the time left to get the project finished I will find it interesting to see if I hit the 160 hour mark that I allotted for the bid process! I knew it would take a lot of time for the project when we started. One of the hardest things to do is to keep "learning something new time" separate from "actual time spent on the project". I learned many things. One is keeping good records. Another is to keep good notes. I learned how important it is to stay in touch with your team members and how important each person's job is, no matter how large or small.

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Here is the link for the Bid Page. I think our team did a good job with the information and our Project Manager has done a great job putting it all together. http://student.santarosa.edu/~dbaker/facetoface/bid.html

Special Thanks to Jane Daniel who was a Designer on the Petaluma Recycling Center's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
170 hours aproximately. 103 submitted to bid. I spent a lot of time relearning things. I also spent quite a bid of time working on logo designs; more than I would for a client because I was experimenting. I have spent more time than I had planned for this class. I like playing with options in photoshop and trying different ideas. I become a little to obsessed with getting things just right, when it really isn't necessary until the final site is built. Everything takes about twice as long as I thought. I learned that to do this as a profession, I need to be very methodical in the process. I need to get good information up front and drill down the design idea using existing samples and then spend my time on one really good design.

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I haven't heard from Kevin regarding the bid or any of the pages. I sent the bid information on 4/2 and did not receive a response, which is not like him.

Special Thanks to Jacqueline Richmond who was a Project Manager on the NAMI Sonoma County's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
The actual time to complete the project took much longer than I thought, despite the fact that I took into account my lack of experience.

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Our bid page is: http://student.santarosa.edu/~jrichmo1/NAMI/bid.shtml.

Special Thanks to Emelina Minero who was a Content Developer on the La Voz's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I didn't have a preconceived set number of hours that I thought I would have spent on this project. But I know that I always spent more time working on this project than I thought I would. Things just take longer than expected and communication time adds up a lot, meaning the time spent just communicating with the team and the client, keeping everyone updated on what we're doing, staying updated on what everyone else is doing, and making sure everybody is on the same page. That aspect takes up a lot of time. In total, I did about 45 hours of work towards the project. The coding aspect of my job requirements was tedious and took a good chunk of time, but the communication took up most of the time, and the planning, organizing, delegating, checking in - everything communication based. We also helped each other out a lot; we shared with everybody what we were doing. So everyone would look at the work that the designer was doing or the Flash programmer was doing and comment on their work. It was a group effort and we helped each other out. Communication was the biggest thing. I remember that it easily took me an hour to draft up emails. When I was responding or initiating contact with our client, Ani, I would want to answer her questions or explain things in a very clear and understandable way, and I wanted her to feel safe and wanted to make sure we were on the same page, and it takes time to write effectively, to research certain answers, etc.

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I put in 45 hours at $30 an hour.

Special Thanks to Dian Ross who was a Roller Derby Web Page Bid on the Ressurection Roller Girls (Roller Derby)'s Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I thought the project would take between 40-60 hours with a team of 4 working to complete it. So far I've logged 60 hours just doing my part as the team. I think 80-100 hours would have been more approperate.

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Special Thanks to Imelda Guzman who was a Designer on the Redwood Empire Food Bank's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
My actual time spent on the design has been 63 hours, this is due to many little changes requested by the client during the design phase. I thought I would be under 50 hours for the design but it just goes to show you how things can change rather quickly when you have too many hands in the pot.

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Here is the URL for the team website: http://student.santarosa.edu/~dmcquoid/REFB/Bin/index.html

Special Thanks to Jenny Marin who was a Designer on the Face to Face's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
This is not what I thought. It required many hours, meetings and good communication with the team.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~dbaker/facetoface/bid.html

Special Thanks to Peter Wilson who was a Designer on the Sonoma Humane Society's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I was actually surprised about how close these two times were in the end. I might have spent a little more time in a few areas because of the need that I had to learn some new skills, but overall the estimated time was close to the 120 hours that I actually spent working on the site.

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This is not up yet, but it will be soon. http://www.georgeclassiccars.com/teamsite/bid.shtm

Special Thanks to Matthew Lane who was a Content Developer on the The RainTree Initiative's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
Well, my previous experience building a site was completely by myself and for the benefit of myself. The difference this time is that I'm working as a specific role for someone else, and I've come to find that I work much better on my own, even if it means doing everything by myself. Working with (and for) others means you have to be able to agree on everything in order to get anything done. To depend on another to get things done on time means to be only as fast as your slowest worker.

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Special Thanks to Janis Oberman who was a IMD on the Class Video Project's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I am sending you a confidential email.

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I am sending you a confidential email.

Special Thanks to Damian Baker who was a Designer on the LITE Initiatives's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
My closest estimation is that I spent 105 hours on the design of the site. This is way more than I thought it would take. What I learned was that I need to have better communication with clients to ensure that I am not having to do things over repeatedly. And I also should try to overestimate the time needed in general so that I can stay ahead of schedule or at least try to finish on time.

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I do not know the URL.

Special Thanks to Lennie Briese who was a Project Manager on the AIARE's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
The time seemed reasonable when you pointed out the task list. By breaking the tasks down into some detail it was easier to come up with an estimate. Then the team reviewed the estimate and made some substantial corrections. It was also a benefit knowing your generic cost estimates. When the team's corrections matched your estimates, it all seemed pretty good. That being said, I think the upgrade to Webvanta raised the actual hours spent. I credit the team with the success of learning the program while creating a great site.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~lbriese/BusWeb/designdocuments.html Notice the two required CAPS. Select the bottom button to load the MS Excell spreadsheet.

Special Thanks to Christy Molnar who was a Designer on the Museum's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I was aware of the time I'd need to spend on the project, I had estimated about 20 hours and week. I learned that good client communication was important and being flexible as a designer helped to satisfy the clients needs.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~bevans/scmuseum/bid.html

Special Thanks to Christy Molnar who was a Content Developer on the Museum's Web site.

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I was aware of the time I'd need to spend on the project, I had estimated about 20 hours and week. I learned that it is essential to get the content approved before beginning any construction on the site.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~bevans/scmuseum/bid.html

Special Thanks to Roger Johnson who was a Project Manager on the APPPAH's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I knew at the outset that this project any estimate of time to complete this project would be considerably less than actual. Partly because the site (Prenatal) was huge and we were being asked to prepare the site for a framework, e.g. Drupal. Ultimately we didn't make that change because of the learning curve necessary and the client's concern about having continued functionality re: membership and ecommerce. If this had been billed as a fixed price contract we would have lost our shirts; as a time and expense contract we would have bankrupt the Association. Because there are over 150 pages in the site we probably should have negotiated on a price per page basis. That would have been more like the man who asked to be paid a grain of rice on the first day, 2 grains on the second, 4 on the third. By the end of the month he would own all the rice in China.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~rjohnso2/bid.html

Special Thanks to Debb Womak who was a Project Manager on the SRJC CS Video Project's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
Although this project has no web design involved whatsoever, the amount of time spent as a PM was more involved than the Tool Library. Losing and regaining Tom, issues with teammates, a slow start, minimal b-roll and enrolling late in the class have helped add up the hours for this project. However, I do believe the group involved on this project have produced an exceptional product and as PM I think they all deserve a pat on the back.

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This page will not be done until about May 7th when videos get passed off for sound adjustments. The bid page and many other pages for this project after that time

Special Thanks to Debb Womack who was a Program manager on the Santa Rosa Tool Library's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I did not realize that as PM I would not have any involvement with the creation of the website. I spent more time working on Webvanta than on what I have always considered the day to day workings of web design. However, I must admit that I realize CMS is a valuable tool for future sites.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~dwomack/tools/bid.html The page needs cleaning up and links to other pages but for now I think rendering and uploading Devlin to youtube is a priority so I promise I will fix the links in the next 24-48 hours. Also, I was shocked to see charges for websites upwards of $15K to $20K for previous bids- the rates I found online and I tried to present a bid that represent charging for time spent designing and creating -not for the student "learning" portion.

Special Thanks to Austin Thom who was a Content Developer on the RECAMFT - Redwood Empire chapter of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
The actual work involved wasn't what I was expecting, but it averaged out in the end - the fantastic work Kathy did on the template made what I imaged would be the hardest part (building the website itself) really easy and actually kind of fun, but as they say the devil is in the details - tweaking everything (updating links every time something changes, looking through the complex CSS to find the one line that is messing something up) consumed more time then I would have imagined. If anything, I've learned to budget my time better - instead of setting aside large blocks of time that don't allow for any interruptions, I just need to work on a project a little bit at a time every day, and I'll get the same amount of work done with much less frustration.

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Diane hasn't sent it to me, that I know of (understandable, considering recent developments).

Special Thanks to Mark Alarie who was a designer on the Santa Rosa Tool Library's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
As the designer, I had to adapt my simple html/CSS templates into the webvanta system. So much of the time was spent creating a single tool page and then webvanta would pull items from the tool database and create all the pages instantly! Lots of learning time here so it was hard to keep track.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~dwomack/tools/bid.html

Special Thanks to Mark Alarie who was a content developer on the Santa Rosa Tool Library's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I had the opportunity to learn about webvanta, so I spent far more hours that originally planned to create the site. I think using this type of content management system is the way to go for sites that have to change over time. That probaly includes most websites.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~dwomack/tools/bid.html

Special Thanks to Derek Bowker who was a Project Manager on the Sonoma County Reptile Rescue's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
The actual time that I spent on the project was probably about 50 hours. I would have thought that the project would have taken longer, and it felt like it during the development, because the project was always on my mind. But comparing the time that I was thinking about it to the time that I actually spent on it, it doesn't seem very long.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~dbowker/reptilerescue/bid.html

Special Thanks to Diane Lapena who was a Project Manager on the RECAMFT's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I think the actual time I spent on the project was pretty close to what I thought it might end up being. I anticipated a lot of time composing emails, arranging meetings, and asking for status updates, and I was right. It was interesting and different to be managing a website project rather than to be creating the actual pages. Being in charge of team communication was a challenge, but I really enjoyed it.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~dlapena/RECAMFT/bid.html

Special Thanks to Tina Mourad who was a Designer on the The Childrens Village of Sonoma County's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I spent a bit more time in actuality compared to what I thought the project would take. I learned a lot about this entire process. The client was somewhat indecisive and I felt was somewhat unable to express what they wanted. I ended up with 7 mockups I believe. This site was not too difficult. There were not a lot of graphics but even just the few graphics seemed to take a lot of time for me. Even now in the testing phase , I am going to have to change a couple of the background graphics which I was not expecting. I don't know if it seems excessive but my billable hours were a little over 100hrs.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~nfreitas/childrensvillage/bid.html

Special Thanks to Monte George who was a PM/pgrm on the Monte George's Web site.

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Because the number of pages for this client is about a hundred, we knew from the beginning that it was going to be a real challenge. I didn't expect the PM role to impact the programming side as much as it did. It was a real challenge to do both, especially during the development stage. Actual time spent surprised me a bit towards the end(development is taking up much of my time). It really helps to go over the project, and to set expectation with the client on a weekly bases. Even though we started very early, its impossible to get everything right, and there were instances were we had to change things in mid development because something important was overlooked. By setting the clients expectations early, they can anticipate the results with more realistic forecast.

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http://www.georgeclassiccars.com/teamsite/bid.shtml - because our project was delayed, this will be ready on May 1st

Special Thanks to Monte George who was a PM/pgrm on the Sonoma Humane Society's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
Because the number of pages for this client is about a hundred, we knew from the beginning that it was going to be a real challenge. I didn't expect the PM role to impact the programming side as much as it did. It was a real challenge to do both, especially during the development stage. Actual time spent surprised me a bit towards the end(development is taking up much of my time). It really helps to go over the project, and to set expectation with the client on a weekly bases. Even though we started very early, its impossible to get everything right, and there were instances were we had to change things in mid development because something important was overlooked. By setting the clients expectations early, they can anticipate the results with more realistic forecast.

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http://www.georgeclassiccars.com/teamsite/bid.shtml - because our project was delayed, this will be ready on May 1st

Special Thanks to Kimberly Collins who was a Project Manager on the LITE Initiatives's Web site.

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I know that the actual time spent was far on this project was far greater than what I expected. Even factoring in extra time for issues and problems, it still took up much more of my time and sleep! I have to say, though, that I learned more than I expected to learn. At the end, it's clear what changes in my approach to different people and their personalities I will make. Don't take anything personal. Everybody has things going on in their lives that affect their mood and behavior. This is actually my first experience in a management role but I think that raising two kids has helped me adjust to the decision making responsibilities of this job.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~kcollin1/TeamLITE/bid.html

Special Thanks to Jaena Bloomquist who was a CD on the AIA's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I spent a lot more time on this project than I initially thought, I think the whole team did. It was an extensive website and we eventually opted to use Webvanta, but there was a huge amount of content gathering and decided what would go where. There were also a lot of changes that had to be made along the way, and all this took time. We also had to transfer a lot of images and make PDFs for old archives from the old AIA site and transfer those to the Webvanta database.

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Special Thanks to Maggie Gallotti who was a designer on the apppah's Web site.

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I knew that this would take a lot of time, but I had no idea that I would spend so much time on it. I learned more about myself. I need to slow down and really think about what is is I am doing. I need to organize myself better, which in the end will help me greatly. I have never been in this role before, so it was new to me. I think I would have spent more quality time on this rather than making up for all my mad-rush mistakes. I do like working with a team.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~rjohnso2/bid.html

Special Thanks to Derek Fiedler who was a PM on the Wildlife's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I started off the semester as the CD, but changed to PM, so my hours are a bit difficult to calculate. As PM, I didn't know what to expect as far as the total hours that I would be able to bill the client. I did not have very many "billable" hours that could be charged to the client. After deliberation, I calculated about 20 hours.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~dfiedler/wildlife/bid.html Should be posted late tonight.

Special Thanks to Deanna Stropes who was a Project Manager on the REdwood Empire Active 2030 Club's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
When the class began, I expected to spend a lot more "hands on" time than I actually did. Much more time was spent on team/client communication. In other words, I learned that the role of Project Manager has a lot more to do with communication than anything else. Since the kind of communication required is second nature to me, it ofter seemed like I wasn't doing much at all!

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~dstropes/RE20-30/index.html

Special Thanks to Kevin Chhoeuy who was a Content Developer on the Sonoma County Reptile Rescue's Web site.

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I spent about 80 hours on the project. Give or take a few hours. I thought the site would need to be waited on hands and foot, but it was not that intense. The site needed to be looked at every now and then, but not too much. I had a lot of fun making the sites with my two classmates and I look forward to working in teams again with other people. I put a lot of effort in my work and made neccessary changed when told to do so. I learned that even though working in a team sometime means less headache does not always means less work or less of anything at all. Everybody contributes a little of this and that and in the future, I will not always be working alone. I also learned that one must be patience with his or her clientele and team mates because we do not know what goes on in that person's life and why that person does things they way he or she chooses to do so. I got frustrated here and there but I learned along the way to be patient

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Special Thanks to Ellen Horstman who was a Content Developer on the Sonoma Humane Society's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
This was a very large site and I expected it to be many many hours of work time. In the beginning, I had times when I was hardly doing anything except team and client meetings. Then it came time to actually load the content on to the pages. Loading the content wasn't as bad as I had anticipated, however removing all the inline CSS that was very time consuming. Now that the content is all up, there seems to continue to be adjustments on many of the pages. I learned that this job is not that easy, however I am sure I will get faster at is as I get lots more practice.

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http://www.georgeclassiccars.com/teamsite/bid.shtml this will not be ready until May 1st

Special Thanks to Kerry Forbes who was a content developer on the SRJC Music Department's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I spent approx. 35 hours on content development. This includes approx 20 pages of simple content and 2 harder pages that needed many hours of my time to get right (although as I become more experience these hours should be reduced to about 15 I hope). We are still waiting on some content, yet it should not be hard to thread it into the pages that have already been built by me earlier. I feel that I expected to spend about 20 hours on getting the content in. I know I spent much more time trying to get the two harder pages to work correctly, but I know that will improve as I do. I learned to have a better system on getting content from PR and get more involved in following up content with Client myself. I did send a few emails to him, but felt maybe more meeting time or calls would have had him move along faster and thus make my job easier.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~hfolendo/bid.html

Special Thanks to Holly Folendorf who was a Project Manager on the SRJC Music Department's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I don't remember being told to create an initial bid, as it was not on the web proposal lesson. I also did not really track the time that I put into this project, had I known to do so I would have done it from the beginning. I did spend a lot of time trying to keep the project site up to date and emails with the team and Corrine, however, I feel like the project had a time line of it's own and Kerry and I just did our best within that.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~hfolendo/bid.html

Special Thanks to Kerry Forbes who was a Designer on the SRJC Music Department's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I spent approx. 30 hours on designing. This includes 2 mock up pages (that were not needed after PR involvement) and 15 collages. This also includes a few hours taken to take more photos as well as organize the huge amount photos that were provided to me by PR and the Client. Many were not usable but needed sorting to reflect that. This is roughly what I thought I would spend on the design part, although some hours were wasted due to the issues that arrived due to SRJC and PR rules.

Additional comments
http://student.santarosa.edu/~hfolendo/bid.html

Special Thanks to Jonathan Harmon who was a Content Developer on the Wildlife's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I had no preconceptions about how much time would be spent on the class, so I reckon I learned nothing in that sense.

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Special Thanks to Jarel Culley who was a Designer on the AIA Redwood Empire's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I ended up spending a little more time than I thought on the actual project. I am a perfectionist so I knew I would spend a lot of time tweeking and making everything just right. I spent a lot of time making different mock designs (about 7) different ones. The client liked the last one the best, obviously. Using Webvanta, after getting things set up I was able to create a lot of templates, repeating regions, and image renditions, which saved a lot of time. However making all the graphics took a lot of time. There are about 50 images used just for the styling of the site and building the pages, and about 300 images used for various content. That was a lot.

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unknown right now.

Special Thanks to Nancy Tracy who was a Programmer on the AIA Redwood Empire's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I spent quite a bit more time than I thought. As the project moved forward, there were different needs for the programmer. First I started to look into php and database on the server side which I had not done before. Then I started learning how to hook up to the AIA national database. We finally went with Webvanta, so the previous info that I researched was not needed. There was a learning curve with Webvanta also. These were all valuable learning experiences. I just felt like I spent more time on research than on actual production time.

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Special Thanks to Thomas Mcsweeney who was a Interactive Media Designer on the Sonoma County Museum's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I really thought that once I designed the template for my Slideshows that the rest would be just a matter of populating the four Slideshows with their corresponding images and that would happen quickly. But what I actually realized about the process of designing and providing the Interactive Media materials for our website reminded me of the old adage "the best laid plans..." The client was excited about the new site we were building for them but they still had their regular jobs to do as well, so when we made requests for content or feedback the client's concept of getting back to us in a timely manner and our concept wasn't always in agreement, the difference being that we were up against an agreed upon time line. There were a couple of last minute adjustments that I capitulated on, and there was also a moment where I had to inform the client that we had past the date in which I could accommodate their request for changes. Being part of the Business of Web Design team that built a new website for the Sonoma County Museum was an educational and rewarding experience. I learned how to talk about the business side of web design with an actual client as well as produce content for their website with the skills I learned from the SRJC courses I've taken over the past couple of years.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~bevans/scmuseum/bid.html

Special Thanks to Kathy Samoun who was a Web Designer on the RECAMFT's Web site.

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This project was definitely a learning experience again in Teamwork. Again, this project took a little more time than expected, only because I was not planning on having to create the forms for the site. Other than that, the client was a breeze to work with and I'm really happy I took on this project!

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Special Thanks to Kathy Samoun who was a Project Manager/IMD on the The RainTree Initiative's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I spent a lot more time than I originally expected on this project. Although I truly enjoyed working with our client, due to miscommunications along the way A lot of time was spent on the phone with the client. Also,although I had taken on Designer on another project, I continued to work as IMD. I created a home page banner animation and Interactive map for this site. I learned quite a bit on this project. Mostly about time management and working with a team.

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Although it is not up yet, the url will be: http://student.santarosa.edu/~ksamoun/webcontent/raintree/bid.shtml

Special Thanks to Scott Manchester who was a IMD on the Sonoma Humane Society/SRJC CS Dept.'s Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
Wow, who would have thought it would take so many hours. I had no idea going into this class how many hours it would take but I was not expecting so many. Actual time spent for my projects have been around 96 for the Humane Society and 86 for the SRJC CS for a total of 182. I am sure I have missed some hours as I have been working night and day on it for the past few weeks and forgot to post anything from 4/12 to today 4/26. I have to guess on those days. I am sure I underestimated as I have been working on the projects some days from 8am to midnight. Good thing work is slow right now.

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I don't know it.

Special Thanks to Barbara Evans who was a Project Manager on the Sonoma County Museum's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
When I compare the actual time spent to the time I thought the project would take when class began, I see I spent more time than I expected during some weeks and less time during others. Most of my work was at the front end. I was surprised at how much administrative work there was. Just making copies of the agendas and meeting documents took lots of time! I think in a real setting, I would have created the project documents in Word and Excel which would have been faster than creating html documents. I also felt I should put down fewer billable hours because I'm learning and expect to get faster with more experience. I was fortunate to have a good team and client to work with otherwise this would have taken even more time.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~bevans/scmuseum/bid.html

Special Thanks to Carlos Downie who was a Project Manager on the Grandparents Parenting . . . Again's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
As the project manager for the team, I felt that because I would not be working directly on the design or content development of the site I would not do too many hours. I expected maybe 2-3 hours a week on communicating with the client and developing pages for the team website. What I found out was that there was a big difference in the hours I took for the project/class and the actual hours I felt I could charge the client for. I spent a good amount of time developing our team's website and plenty of hours communicating and learning new things. To keep track of my hours I started using a spreadsheet (around week 4 of the class). I stopped keeping track after 120 hours! I believe I could justify about 38 hours. I learned first of all to have a set plan of hours and leave room for unexpected problems that may arise and cost you more time than you thought. Also when making a bid, you have to have in mind whether you will charge for time you spent on planning and preparation, or whether you will only charge for the time spent directly creating the website.

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This is the URL to the bid page on our team website: http://student.santarosa.edu/~cdownie/gpa/project_bid.shtml

Special Thanks to Anna Narbutovskih who was a Designer on the The RainTree Initiative's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I expected that this class would take 10 to 15 hours a week during the first half of the semester and then ease off to just 2 or 3 hours/week during the second half for a total of maybe 100 hours. That wasn't the case as we had a very demanding client who requested changes constantly. I stopped keeping an accurate count of my hours but it's definitely more than 240 so far and will certainly reach 250 hours before the end of the semester.

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Special Thanks to James (Jim) Anderson who was a Designer on the A Wildlife Exclusion Service's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
Initially I expected the project to average out to about 5 to 8 hours per week, or a total of about 152 hours. I took all the different components of the project and came up with 92 hours actually spent on the project itself (this may be on the lower side but pretty close). There were additional hours spent on class assignments that weren't directly related to the main project and I didn't factor those hours into my final estimate. I feel fortunate that our client was so easy to work with...if it weren't the case I believe the hours spent on the project would of been much higher than my initial expectation. I learned a lot about what is expected of the designer in producing a web site and where that role fits into the total picture.

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not sure what the URL is for the bidding page.

Special Thanks to Noah Freitas who was a Project Manager on the The Children's Village's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I spent much more time on team communication than I thought I would. There was also a huge difference between the amount of time I put into the project/class and the number of hours I could justify billing the client for. I will end up with over 100 hours devoted to the project, but my total billable hours came out to 17.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~nfreitas/childrensvillage/bid.html

Special Thanks to Rose Carlson who was a designer on the grandparents parenting again's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
This is my second time being envolved witht his class so I had a much better understanding of the process and estimated about 5-7 hours a week and averaged that maybe a little less at times. I learned that planning is everything and to always save time for extra change the client may want.

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not sure of url yet

Special Thanks to Imelda Guzman who was a Content Developer on the Grandparents Parenting Again's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I knew from the beginning that "we" (team) would be putting in lots of work on building the site. As the C.D. for the team I believed that my part would not take as long since I would be cutting and pasting most of the content. I figured less than 15-20 hours for my part. Unfortunately, it did not turn out that way. Overall I think I did somewhere between 35-40 hours. Our client had given me all her content on cd but as images of text which I was unable to cut and paste. I hand typed about 90% of what our client had given me, plus changes made upon request by the client. What I learned was that not everything turns out the way you expect it no matter how small and easy the job appears to be.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~cdownie/gpa/index.shtml here is the url for our team site. The bid link is still dead, I don't have that info yet.

Special Thanks to Travis Carroll who was a Designer on the Sonoma County Reptile Rescue's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I think the time I spent was pretty accurate on what I expected the time to be. Some of the class projects made more time, such as working on a story board but overall these tools are useful. I learned that I definitely should be doing mockups as a designer. It makes a lot less work on me as the designer if the client were to change their mind. Instead of recreating a whole HTML page, it would be recreating a Photoshop file only.

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Special Thanks to Jay Vorzimer who was a Designer on the Redwood Empire 20 - 30 Club's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
Actual Time: 110 approx. Projected Time: 120-150 hrs. I learned some very useful tools to creating websites from Photoshop documents which really sped up a lot of work for this site and allowed me the opportunity to focus my attention on the code within the site. For me, one of the really big take home lessons was internet routing paths, and working on this site really helped to reinforce this information, although the testing phase may prove me wrong, We will just have to see for ourselves.

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Special Thanks to Anna-Maria (Anni) Wernicke who was a Designer on the UASA's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
113 actual hours vs approximately 80 hours expected. I learned that a lot of time gets eaten up in communication, more than anticipated.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~rcarlso1/UASA/uasabid.html

Special Thanks to Bradley Mark who was a Content Developer on the Partners for Sustainable Pollination's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I am used to doing a complete website myself so I expected in the beginning that there would be more work. After learning our individual roles it became apparent that not having to design the page structure would reduce a good deal of work. I believe my time spent is directly relational to the other team member roles.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~jpiehl/bees/bid.html

Special Thanks to Doane Atwood who was a Women's Global Leadership Initiative on the Diana Ruiz's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
The behind the scenes stuff takes forever. In our case we had a client who had a grandiose vision for what her organization should be, but not a very clearly defined vision for the website. Since the organization is still evolving, and there are few people she trusts to translate her vision into reality, she ends up taking a lot on herself, while also having tons of stuff to do to get her organization up and running. I think if I'd had a choice I would have given her the initial questionnaire, then given her another month (more than she had) to make decisions about content, etc. It now turns out that the client wants to postpone the live launch because they've hired a graphic artist who will come up with a new logo and possibly choose new colors. Also, good team dynamics are very important. We spent lots of time just trying to work out little details, and figure out how to get things integrated in a testing environment. We're using my hosting company, but it comes with very little built in, so it doesn't match the client's hosting situation, which means some things have been built on the client's site.... Ugh! We'll get there!

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http://www.santarosa.edu/~lhemenw/busweb/tester-list.html

Special Thanks to Jonathan Piehl who was a Project Manager on the Partners For Sustainable Pollination's Web site.

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This project took way longer than I expected it would take. I found that most my time was spent communicating with the client and team members instead of working on the site. When I'm making a site for myself, I'm the client and the team so no communication takes place. I think if we used a project managing application (like Basecamp) then communication would be more open and things could get done more efficient. This was good practice for the real world.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~jpiehl/bees/bid.html

Special Thanks to Susan Bergna who was a Designer on the PFSP's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
I went into the project expecting it would take a lot of time. I probably spent a bit more time than expected but I did a lot of web research trying to help our client. I learned to listen to my own design sense, that creating a template that would accommodate all content is difficult and that the ego has to go. I also learned that I didn't know much about 508 compliance and that getting IE workarounds to actually work can be difficult.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~jpiehl/bees/bid.html

Special Thanks to Grant Brott who was a Web Designer on the Womens Global Leadership Initiative's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
The actual time I spent was well over 30 hours but I have done some designs before and they usually fall more into the 20 hour max range. I think all the meetings and working with the team and having to do it all for the first time slows everything down compared to working with a experienced team that has been together, so in the end the more you work together the quicker you can get a quality site out.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~datwood/BOWD/bid.html

Special Thanks to Amy McVicar who was a Content Developer on the Sonoma County Folk Society's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
It is about the same. In the end, I will spend substantially over 60 hours but I don't think I could justify charging for anything over 40.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~nrourke/socofoso/bid.shtml

Special Thanks to Stefan Fanslow who was a Programmer on the Women's Global Leadership Initiative's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
while the work isn't entirely finished, it's taking about as much time as was expected.

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the page isn't finished at the moment. however, this is the url (it says as much): http://student.santarosa.edu/~datwood/BOWD/bid.html

Special Thanks to Larry Roberts who was a Project Manager on the Filipino American National Historical Society (FANHS)'s Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
The project takes a lot more time than I thought. It involves a lot of up-front work and coordination to reach agreement before the work can actually start. What the designer may 'visualize' and what the client sees can be totally different things. That is why a mock-up of the design is so important, and then not dramatically changeing that design when it is rolled out.

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http://nbserv.net/bid.html

Special Thanks to Rebecca F who was a Designer on the Sonoma County Folk Society's Web site.

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I have exceeded the time that I thought I would spend on the site by at least double. Not having a programmer on my team I found to more of a hindrance than I anticipated. If this had been a real life situation I would have subbed out some of the work weeks ago. While my teammates have been active, involved and enthusiastic the skill level of the team is a bit low. No offense to my teammates, I am still learning many things myself and am not a programmer in any way whatsoever but it would be helpful to have a better balance of skill sets within each team. I would rather see emails that suggest a solution to issues rather than just pointing out problems for me to solve, particularly when they may be fairly obvious html fixes. I spent a lot of time just repairing layouts and recoding the css, much of which I did expect and a bit more that I didn't. I think that some of that is due to style differences and how the original template may be used in ways the designer did not foresee. That is a good thing though in the end because a client who may be adding/updating a site will probably do the same things. This has been a tremendous learning experience to be sure, I have picked up more than a few lessons that I will take with me going forward into this field.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~nrourke/socofoso/bid.shtml

Special Thanks to Nichelle Rourke who was a Project Manager on the Sonoma County Folk Society's Web site.

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I have spent a lot of time on this project, mostly in the beginning of the course. The extra time was spent getting our team site to look nice, getting it organized and making it useful to the team and the client. I have spent numerous other hours learning techniques from my colleagues that aren't directly related to the output of the project.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~nrourke/socofoso/bid.shtml Here is our bid. The cost of $10k seems high, but our effort seems much greater than that!

Special Thanks to Mark Foote who was a Content Developer on the American Philharmonic's Web site.

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The project write-ups took more time than I expected; bottom of the learning curve on that. Right now, there are a lot of small things going on in connection with the site, that would probably not be done professionally without charge but which will not be included in the hours on our bid (content revisions and corrections of errors in the original content); maybe that makes up for my inexperience on the billed hours for standards and deliverables. The small stuff going on now has taken a lot of time, but we all want everything to be as good as it can be for the AP folks when we hand off.

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Special Thanks to Anna Narbutovskih who was a Content Developer on the Sonoma County Folk Society's Web site.

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I spent far fewer hours on the actual web content development than I thought I would at the beginning of the class. Rebecca's template was very easy to follow and most of the pages were finished in minutes. The most important lesson I learned was that I can't depend on open source javascript (which we used for the slideshows and music players) to do exactly what I want it to do. To achieve to effects I want I have to take the javascript class and write the stuff myself. I spent most of my time pouring over the javascript trying to figure out how to alter it without breaking it.

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Special Thanks to Antonio Ventura who was a CD on the FANHS's Web site.

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i worked about 70 hours, I learned a lot about different task and steps in the design and deploy of the web site.

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Special Thanks to Barbara Vallauri who was a Content Developer on the Saturday Afternoon Club's Web site.

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I actually thought the project would take longer than it did. Fortunately Jessica did a great job in designing the page layouts, so my job as content developer was made easy - I just had to plunk in the content and with a few minor tweaks everything worked. Preparation is everything. With good preparation the work goes really smoothly.

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Gary Cross was our PM, but he had to drop the class. However, before he dropped he'd prepared a bid page, which can be found at: http://student.santarosa.edu/~gcross/saturday_afternoon_club/html/bid.html

Special Thanks to Gloria Batemon who was a Content Developer on the American Philharmonic Orchestra-Sonoma County's Web site.

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At the beginning, I figured cutting and pasting text probably 10 hours. In reality that figured was a tad bit off - 68 hours. What I didn't figure was the rewrites, corrections, and making the shellsite work the way it was supposed to work. I learned to think things out in a little more detail before putting a number of hours down, and even if you really do make your best guess, you'll always be low.

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Special Thanks to Stephen Rodier who was a Designer on the American Philharmonic's Web site.

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I am used to working on my own so my bid was low. Working with a team takes longer and there are more steps involved but you come up with a better product. Questions are asked and solutions found that you would never thought of on your own.

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Special Thanks to Cathea Scheer who was a Content Developer on the Partners for Sustainable Pollination's Web site.

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I thought it would take more than 28 hrs, not sure how much more. didn't really have a clue. I learned about how important team work is to doing web development. I never realized that a good working relationship makes all the pieces of a web site fit together much easier. I have great admiration for the skills of the PM and DS, from my perspective, the success of the site lies in their hands.

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Special Thanks to Albert Shanto who was a Designer on the Legal Aid of Sonoma County's Web site.

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I spent 60 hrs designing for this project. At the beginning of class I thought it might take 20 to 30 hrs. I have learned to talk with the client more than once before spending a lot of time doing design work. In this case, the original mockup was made according to the ideas expressed at the first meeting with the client, only to find out in subsequent meetings that wasn't what the client really wanted. I also learned by volunteering in an open ended way to help with supplying content, images in particular, it can take a lot more time than imagined. The lesson I learned is to have the client supply all of the content.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~jjohnso1/legalaidofsc/html/bid.html

Special Thanks to Albert Shanto who was a Programmer on the Legal Aid of Sonoma County's Web site.

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I spent 40 hrs programming on the project. When the class began I imagined it would take 10 hrs. What I learned was that even though I think I have a template set up, it can take a considerable amount of time to modify it to a particular purpose. And I learned there's a lot I don't know about 508, and its hard to estimate something without having done it before.

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Special Thanks to Rose Carlson who was a project manager on the uasa's Web site.

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I am complete newbie to this so everything I learned was valuable. I did not spend as many hours as I thought I would but once I got in the swing of the pM position things went fairly smoothly. I was suprised at the differance in hours by my teammates.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~rcarlso1/UASA/uasabid.html

Special Thanks to Jerilynn Johnson who was a Content Developer on the Legal Aid of Sonoma County's Web site.

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As a content developer I was surprised how fast the actual pages went together. I spent less time on page creation that I thought I would. It was probably the shell site that took the most time, because that's where we had to figure out what went on each page, code everything, and make multiple changes to the content. Overall, probably a few more hours than I expected.

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Special Thanks to Jerilynn Johnson who was a Project Manager on the Legal Aid of Sonoma County's Web site.

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At the beginning of class, it looked liked there was a lot to do as project manager. For the beginning of the class there was a lot - but then as soon as the web proposal was finished, it's been a very quiet job. Probably less overall hours than expected.

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Special Thanks to Jerry Adamson who was a pm on the American Philharmonic-Sonoma County's Web site.

Here are their comments on how accurate their initial bid was to the final amonut of time they actually spent on the project
My estimates were high due to the amount of work required by the PM at the beginning of the project. I've learned that starting to work on the project site as early as possible is very beneficial.

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http://student.santarosa.edu/~jadamson/webproject/contact/bid.html